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Author:  Polycarp [ 02-16-2006, 09:27 PM ]
Post subject:  Warhammer Historical (oxymoron anyone?)

Howdy all:

I'm looking for some advice here. I've been looking at the Warhammer Historical line, and I'm not sure if I want to commit completely yet.

On one hand, I grew up playing Warhammer Fantasy (not historical at all, but dice-happy indeed) so I have the basic rules down. As for minis, I checked out a few sites, and the cheapest I've found so far are at:

Not necissarily the highest quality, but decently priced


On the other hand, I don't know if the system is worth investing all that time and money into. Has anyone out there played anything in the Warhammer Historical system? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks:
-Polycarp

Author:  CapnG [ 02-16-2006, 10:38 PM ]
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As I understand it, it's basically the same game just all humans and no magic or monsters. If you already have Warhammer (and let's face it, without the magic and monsters the main game basically hasn't changed since 3rd edition) I don't see why you'd need to invest the money.

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Author:  Fl0ydski [ 02-22-2006, 10:29 AM ]
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The Warhammer Historicals was never meant to be flagship products that get published in the White Dwarf. With the exception of a few mentions(mostly by Jervis and the twin model making bros), I don't ever think it was a feature.

I think it spawned out of some of the designers (again Jervis & maybe Andy Chambers) love for historical minis. I think it was back when they revamped the Imperial Guard (late 90's) that I first heard Jervis mention using some of the new guard models(the ones that look like WW2 GI's) for a WW2 skirmish game.

But I know what you mean about the rule system... (Going off a bit here)i read somewhere that Andy Chambers put forth alot of new gaming mechanics and ideas that were rejected by the GW powers that be. And he ended up leaving(for other reasons)but some of those rules weret put to use in his new game for Mongoose: Starship Troopers.

~Floyd

ps. It's a shame that Necromunda, Mordheim, BF:Gothic, etc. were all relagated to Fanatic Games Division a few years back. And how do you help pay the bills with your only advertising being for your own product....? (Most magazines have ((other))companies pay for advertising space). Greedy bast-er-ds.

Author:  Count_Zero [ 02-22-2006, 10:51 AM ]
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[quote="Fl0ydski"
ps. It's a shame that Necromunda, Mordheim, BF:Gothic, etc. were all relagated to Fanatic Games Division a few years back. [/quote]

That's actually the best thing to happen to those game lines because now they are available free from Specialist Games.
They just didn't have the long term appeal and history of their core Warhammer and 40K games. It's a real shame, I think the 3rd edition 40K rules are garbage.

Author:  Fl0ydski [ 02-22-2006, 11:30 AM ]
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Author:  CCotD [ 02-22-2006, 11:52 AM ]
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Author:  CapnG [ 02-22-2006, 03:06 PM ]
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I can give you a little insight from what I gleaned during my incredibly brief employment at a GW store. As it was spelled out to me by the manager and the more senior staff, basically it's all about the money (no surprises there). That's why the switch from 2nd to 3rd ed 40k included a drop in troop points costs, it wasn't to allow for bigger battles but to require gamers to purchase more figures.
GW went through an internal revamping in the mid-90s wherein basically the shareholders started calling the shots and the company core was reduced to mere production. Small wonder so many regulars left the company at that time. GW makes no mystery of it's goal, they want to be the biggest and (if they can pull it off) only gaming company out there. The Coke of miniatures gaming. They also shifted their key demo down from 15-18 year olds to 12 and up, hence the ultra-simple LOTR game.
Things like WH Historicals and Specialist Games exist because GW realizes it has this aging troop of veterans who now own their army(ies) and want something else. It's worth noting that alot of the SG staff consists of the aforementioned core members who broke off during the re-shuffle. I firmly believe these guys actually care about games, it's just a pity the rumbling juggernaught of the parent company doesn't.

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Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 02-22-2006, 10:03 PM ]
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Author:  ElBrookski [ 02-23-2006, 06:31 AM ]
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And so many of their best people have left them. Mongoose Publishing and Privateer Press in particular have benefited from that...

gotta admit that this is soooo true.
a lot of us sound like purists to some degree. the only games that i still play are WHQ, (yes that OLD chesnut) warhammer and mordheim. somtimes a little gorkamorka. i went straight off 40k when it hit the previous incarnation to this one.
but i think that rather than slate what the company has become, we should lament for what it used to be.
GW of the old days, i at least, will miss you. :cry:
oh and by the way has any one tried the latest incarnation of Warhamme fantasy roleplay?
i really did not know what to make of it.
good/bad? You decide.
also opinions on Inquisitor if i may... i thought the models great.
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Author:  Fl0ydski [ 02-23-2006, 07:08 AM ]
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Author:  thecaptain [ 02-23-2006, 09:05 PM ]
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Matt, the Chain Reaction series deserves a good plug here: You can play the games solo, and still have a lot of fun! All Things Zombie (from the series) lends itself to great solo play... the zombies are brain dead anyway, and have faithful AI. The games play pretty fast, it's easy to rope friends in, and you can campaign! :)



Growing up and life in general could get in the way, but people of all ages like these ones. ;)

Author:  ElBrookski [ 02-24-2006, 05:16 AM ]
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