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Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 12-02-2014, 11:47 AM ]
Post subject:  E-Books, E-Readers, and the Publishing Industry

Over the last few years many of the authors that I follow - mostly genre authors - have begun an exodus from their former publishers into self publishing.

Several authors that my girlfriend follows have begun the same trek.

Some, like Archer Mayor, either began the trek because the publishers wanted to change the terms on e-books or because the publisher did not want to bother reprinting books in any format - print or digital. (Despite a lower cost the publishers wanted to lower the percentage that the author receives - this is at the same time that they were busy losing the trial over price fixing....)

P. N. Elrod has begun publishing on her own as well as being part of an authors' cooperative, and has started adding new books to her series.

Laura Gilman has begun a new series in her Costradamus setting that is under the Book View Cafe imprint - an authors' cooperative, rather than a publisher.

In romance novels Stephanie Bond is continuing her Body Mover's series by self publishing - which led to the publisher planning a reprint of the older books.

It... is going to be a hard time for publishers, I think - authors have begun to realize that they do not need publishers, only editors - and those can be hired.

Bookstores are struggling, while companies like Amazon and (to a much lesser extent) Kobo are flourishing.

On the other hand, Sony has pulled out of e-readers and e-publishing, though that may have as much to do with the lack of quality in their software. (The readers themselves were fine - but the software was absolutely awful.)

I am hearing very mixed reports as to how well the Nook is doing.... (I think that it may just be that Barnes & Noble is kind of fumbling around - but the reader is fine. I myself will never deal with them, since they felt it) necessary to add yet another layer of DRM to e-pub books - so that the e-books themselves can only be read on Nooks, whereas Kobo books, and most other e-pub books, can be read on any e-pub reader.)

I... think that the publishing industry needs to reinvent itself - the market is changing, and they are having difficulty coping with that change.

The Auld Grump

Author:  anvil [ 12-02-2014, 05:22 PM ]
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The same thing is happening in the music industry. I love my kindle, but I kind of regret getting the Fire. It does so much more than display books, I find it hard to actually read anymore.
Since there is money involved, I'm confident it will all work out in the end. We may not like where it ends up, though.

Author:  joydyhee [ 12-03-2014, 05:10 AM ]
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I see this in most media-delivery type industries. The cable companies are having a fit with consumers using them as a content delivery channel only and not consuming their particular set of offerings.

Times they are-a changin'.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 12-03-2014, 12:51 PM ]
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Charles Stross, on the other hand, supports the publishers - and seems to feel that the publishers are looking at short term survival right now, and that without short term survival long term becomes moot....

(He hates DRM, but supports his publisher... and admits to having mixed feelings.)

The Auld Grump

Author:  ScrubKai [ 12-06-2014, 06:01 PM ]
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Author:  Magius [ 12-06-2014, 07:26 PM ]
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I think that the TV groups are being more intelligent in dealing with modern technology than Movies, Music, and many Publishers have been. While many of them do hold on to the traditional broadcast media (complete with the model of paying for content via selling commercial time during the shows), there has been a lot of emphasis on adding in content to compete with what's available through online retailers and alternate media sources - namely, by focusing on On Demand services that allow you to watch recently-aired shows on your timetable rather than the network's, as well as rent movies to watch at your leisure.

As well, many of the networks themselves are embracing the digital age as a way to more broadly distribute their product, recognizing the drastic savings that doing so entails, while being able to maintain much of the profit that traditional distribution methods have entailed.

While I do agree that there is going to be a toss up with the TV market, and perhaps soon, it's going to be more New Media Creators VS traditional show setups than the Companies VS the Customers like we've seen with the Music and Movie industries - and I think that there will always be a place for both categories, with the New Media groups doing low profit, low budget, or simply riskier projects and the Traditional Studio groups doing the tried-and-true material or the particularly profitable projects.

Author:  joydyhee [ 12-08-2014, 04:30 AM ]
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Author:  Talae [ 12-08-2014, 05:49 AM ]
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We have been without cable for over three years as well. With Amazon Prime I have no desire to get cable ever again. My daughter doesn't even know what commercials are. We were watching a show at my Mom's house a couple of weeks ago and she kept getting mad that someone was changing the show.

Author:  joydyhee [ 12-08-2014, 05:59 AM ]
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Author:  T-G [ 12-08-2014, 03:25 PM ]
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We currently live in Europe and we are quite content with our VPN and Apple TV. Netflix pretty much fits our needs, and we rent a new release from Itunes every now and then. We would try Hulu, but they have that anti-VPN thing going on.

Author:  Talae [ 12-08-2014, 04:46 PM ]
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We tend to get new releases from Redbox.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 12-09-2014, 07:33 AM ]
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We seem to be drifting a bit....

Some publishers were more prepared than others - perhaps a bit odder is that some imprints within those publishers were more prepared.

Baen was prepared - and was on the edge of the movement to digital.

Tor was... fighting their publisher on the subject - and when Macmillan decided to go digital their website was an exercise in awfulness. (Let's have a great big pile of everything! And no way to sort! That way folks will end up buying more, right?!)

And at least one imprint has struck off on its own - Mysterious Press has left Warner, and gone digital.

Odd times... strange days.

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 12-13-2014, 09:44 AM ]
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Then there are the sub-genres that publishers don't like taking a risk on - superhero fiction is one example. Even established authors have had to argue with their publishers on writing stories about super heroes. (And, no surprise, a fair number of those writers were players on the now defunct City of Heroes MORPG.)

A friend of mine that wants me to run a supers game has been hitting me with e-books in two series:
Wearing the Cape by Marion G Harmon - which ended up being a best seller on the Kindle, despite not having a run in print. About a new super heroine, and how she sees the super heroes, from the inside. And she is a hero - heroes in the setting are first responders as much as anything else.

Super Powered by Drew Hayes - this latter can be read chapter by chapter for free on his , or you can get them on Amazon. These are long stories, slightly disjointed (with reason), and each book covers a year of training at a Super Heroes program. (By 'long' I mean 'almost two hundred chapters... each.)

*EDIT* It may be worth noting that some of these are available on Kindle Unlimited - a subscription service where readers can download ten books to their Kindle, at a time. (So, if you go through a book a day then you will likely have gone through thirty books in a month.)

The Unlimited program was the final penny in the basket that tipped me to favoring the Kindle - I go through a lot of books.... I still prefer the e-pub format, but the front end of the Kindle is so much better than that of the Kobo.

Still not an enormous fan of super heroes, but it is interesting to see that e-publishing is allowing some authors to write what they want, as opposed to what the publishers want them to write.

And that the books are selling.

The Auld Grump

Author:  anvil [ 12-13-2014, 12:18 PM ]
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Harmon was working on adapting Marvel Heroic Roleplay to his universe a few months ago, but ran into license issues with MWP. You can still find the thread on the MWP forum. Nothing negative, something to do with legal mumbo jumbo. Looked very interesting to me.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 12-13-2014, 01:01 PM ]
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Author:  sdavies2720 [ 12-13-2014, 04:13 PM ]
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OT: I wonder what Dan Bricklin is up to these days.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 01-28-2015, 12:28 PM ]
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Drew Hayes is likely to finish off some time tomorrow.

Meanwhile, back on topic, Lawrence Watt-Evans has started moving his back catalog to - an independent e-book seller.

I... think that authors are beginning to realize that they don't really need the publishers.

What they need are editors - and the author is just as able to hire freelance editors as the publishers are. (The days of the publishers having their own in-house editors are approaching an end. Most publishers have cut the editorial staff down to one or two positions, relying increasingly on freelance editors - and they cut back on the books being published proportionally.)

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 02-03-2015, 07:03 AM ]
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Something else that makes e-publishing better for independent authors - the very fast turnaround between writing and publishing.

Renee Pawlish had a mystery novel out, involving Colorado's legalization of pot - in September, with a turn around between writing and publishing of a bit under a month. (It takes a heck of a lot longer to get a print book out the door. Page lengths are a lot less flexible when it comes to formatting for print.)

Which means that the legalization was still headlining when the book was released.

She may not be selling as many copies as an e-book, but she is also getting a larger cut of the sales.

Publishers are better when books sell over a certain (though as yet undetermined) amount - they allow a much larger exposure for well established authors.

But since the amount of profit from each book is so small, publishers only focus on those well established authors - making it much more difficult to enter the market.

This has been true in the music industry for decades - Sally Rogers makes more selling fewer albums, but making the CDs herself for selling at her concerts. (Sally Rogers is one of the nicest people that you are ever likely to meet.)

If you want to make a steady income in the e-publishing industry? Become a freelance editor. :P

The Auld Grump

Author:  punkrabbitt [ 02-18-2015, 05:10 PM ]
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So, if my wife and I wanted to epublish a book, where would we start?

Author:  joydyhee [ 02-18-2015, 06:44 PM ]
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Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 02-19-2015, 06:44 AM ]
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It is kind of circular... but there are a lot of e-books on self publishing e-books... often self published.

RPGNow has a number of PDFs on self publishing RPG material.

Lots of websites on the topic as well.

And Print on Demand places allow you to create hard copies for sale. (Books-a-Million! has a PoD machine in their local store... want one... so... much.... :P )

The Auld Grump

Author:  punkrabbitt [ 02-19-2015, 03:40 PM ]
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Thank you, guys. I literally had zero idea where to even start looking for resources.

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 02-28-2015, 12:51 PM ]
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Just a heads up - Agatha H. and the Clockwork Princess is , and will be until the 6th of March.

Phil and Kaja Pholio having fun with steampunk in a novel of Agatha Heterodyne, Girl Genius. :)

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 03-29-2015, 12:56 PM ]
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Currently .... One part Cthulhu, one part James Bond, one part British Bureaucracy... stir.

Despite the humor, Charles Stross has perhaps the best grasp of the Cthulhu Mythos going.

Here is a thoroughly biased (and positive) of the series. (There is also an RPG for the setting - and it is compatible with Call of Cthulhu....)

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 08-02-2015, 12:48 PM ]
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Just a quick mention - is currently free on Amazon.

Just because an accountant has become a creature of the night doesn't mean that all that much has changed.... A fun read - not deep, but fun Fred may not seek adventure, but he doesn't do a good job of dodging it, either.... :)

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 08-11-2015, 06:57 AM ]
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A few days ago I picked up Dane Curse as a free download on the Kindle - thinking that it was The Dain Curse... a classic tough guy detective novel from the twenties.

It wasn't - instead it was... a tough guy detective novel set in a world of super heroes, and the 'hero' used to be one of the bad guys.

Now, he's a private eye - 'cause nobody cares what happens to a black cape. When the family of one of the bad guys wants closure, he is the only one that they can turn to.

Despite the super powers, it really was a classic tough guy detective story (and the Dain/Dane mix-up as a call out - there are a few of them in the book.)

The e-book is now back up to the full price of $3 - and is well worth it.

My one disappointment - the book lists several sequels, none of which are in print yet. (If they were, I would have them.)

I like the protagonist, I like the setting, and I am not going into any detail - you folks should just read the book. :)

The Auld Grump

Author:  TheAuldGrump [ 10-20-2015, 12:16 PM ]
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The Elements of Style is currently .

The clearest, most concise, and tiniest textbook for writing in American English.

This is not the most current edition - though the most recent one will set you back a whopping $3 or so. :)

Well worth the price - whether you are getting the most current edition of the original.

The Auld Grump - who already has it.

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