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Author:  Sirrob01 [ 01-17-2009, 09:43 PM ]
Post subject:  Flatpack Mayhem

I've pretty much always struggled with storage of my builds. I'm not sure if anyone has done this before but I incorporated magnets into one of my recent Mayhem buildings:

Normal looking build (er for me all my buildings are 5x5)


Lift the lid and pull off the front wall


Flat packed ready for storage/transport


Few structural tests for those wondering about strength

Upside down


Approximately 550grams of weight on the 2nd floor (1lb approx)



I added the inside more to see if it would work as now you could game from the street right into the building (Bashed from mayhem PD).

The walls are 3mm foam board and the magnets are all small rare earth magnets, surprisingly cheap around 20c AUD each. The middle floor is held up by excessively strong magnets (rated at 1.7kg of lift against 3mm steel) but it was all I had left to trial with. The washers need blacking in with some black enamel paint :), Im trying to hunt down some little squares of steel I could buy and use instead of washers.

If anyone wants assembly info just yell and I'll post up some construction shots and explanation etc.

Cya

S01

Author:  Kane [ 01-17-2009, 10:17 PM ]
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Funny, I was just thinking of using this same idea for holding dungeons pieces together (tile side to tile side, not bottom to masterboard). This is BRILLIANT!

Author:  Lord_Abbadon [ 01-17-2009, 10:34 PM ]
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Sir Rob,

Where in Oz did you get your Rare Earth Magnets from?


The whole breakdown is dead sexy! How do you anchor the magnet to the foamcore? Could you do it with matt board?



Lord Abaddon of Wormwood

Author:  Sirrob01 [ 01-17-2009, 11:24 PM ]
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Lord_Abbadon - Aussie magnets (postage is high but I tend to order 400-500 at a time and split with friends) www.aussiemagnets.com.au, the best ones I found to use for my test building above were the 6mmx1.5mm/2mm discs (price and strength wise stockcodes3030 & 3040). I tried some thinner ones but they are not really strong enough, they were about 5x0.75mm (bought from OS)...the blocks were overkill :), I was going for 250gram max weight before failure on the 2nd floor.

basically used my off brand dremel tool and approximately 5/6mm flat stone disc (you could just cut a small square out) to make a small hole then drop in a dob of 2 part epoxy and magnet then cover with your printed card stock layer to hold it in. Below is ashot of the base tile upper surface with no cardstock stuck on:



sorry about the rugged picy only took it for my own info for future reference :)

I thought about doing mattboard but its so thin I couldn't figure out a way of mounting the magnet flush on both sides (I tried some test bits but best I came up with was to use a double layer of matt board). Thinking about it again now you could use more thin magnets in a line to reach the same hold strength but it may not work...

Mounting them in mattboard would be fairly easy just cut your holes stick on your printed card stock then glue the magnets in.

Kane - yah i've got a Magnetic masterboard in the works also :): basically a big sheet of magnetic flexy stuff stuck down to mdf then I've glued 4x 1inch washers to the base of all my terrain parts...but I'm not very far through that little project :).

Edge joining magnet to magnet will be tough they would need to be dead accurate :). but you could keep your layout together even on a non-flat surface which would be awesome.

Now I just need to rebuild the rest of my buildings....

Thanks for the positive comments both :)

Author:  LD2062 [ 01-18-2009, 05:02 AM ]
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Author:  Kane [ 01-18-2009, 10:23 AM ]
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Author:  DeltaIce [ 01-18-2009, 12:06 PM ]
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This is very interesting ... the system you have developed using magnets. I'm going to try the magnetic masterboard part and then see if I can use a folding folio approach to the buildings. Since I only build to display, I don't need to be concerned about the weight of miniatures or play strength. Space is a premium however.

Author:  Gallagen [ 01-18-2009, 02:54 PM ]
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Author:  LD2062 [ 01-20-2009, 05:39 AM ]
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I have no experience with magnets. Do you think that might be strong enough to make collapsible buildings?

They're cheap enough to consider using them on both sides, rather than a washer.

Author:  anvil [ 01-20-2009, 06:52 AM ]
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Author:  Kane [ 01-20-2009, 08:23 AM ]
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Author:  LD2062 [ 01-20-2009, 09:38 AM ]
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seems to be the same magnets.

$4.25 & $1.50 shipping($.50 for additional sets) 92 available.

That sees to be the best price on Ebay.

Author:  Kane [ 01-20-2009, 12:12 PM ]
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Yeah, same N rating (N35) as the other auction. K&J are actually N42. That said, I looked it up and had my numbers wrong. Smaller (1/8") magnets with an N42 rating hold 1lb or so. These at N42 hold about 3.5lb. At N35, looking around online, they should be around 2.8lbs pressure. Again, thats a LOT of pull, so should not be an issue.

Author:  thefriendlyfoe [ 01-20-2009, 02:14 PM ]
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Author:  Kane [ 01-20-2009, 03:14 PM ]
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Author:  Sirrob01 [ 01-20-2009, 11:31 PM ]
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Magnet to metal does give a "softer" join.

I haven't had any rip through's I tend to put my magnets under my card layer, ie the picy above is before the card layer is about to be glued on for a base tile, this seems to provide an additional hold. The washers/metal I surface mount were needed, ive used 2 part epoxy glue (this will probably make recycling magnets later on very difficult...)

The ones in the ebay picy above 6x1.5mm seem to be identical to the size I've been using if that's any help :). I used some super sized bars on the above building to hold second floor, these have a rating of 1.6kg (4lbs ish) against 3mm steel, these haven't pulled through my card stock yet.

I've just ordered some flex steel bases from litko (http://www.litkoaero.com/GMBXXXfs.php) to cut up and use instead of washers I'm just not sure if the flex steel will provide enough grip. I'll report back on success or failure once the bits arrive...roll on teleporters.

Author:  Kane [ 01-20-2009, 11:42 PM ]
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Instead of flex-steel, could always use magnetic tape.

Author:  Kane [ 01-23-2009, 12:42 PM ]
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Here is a heck of a deal (by K&J of all people) . Of course, they have basically the same deal on their site under "Surplus" but still!

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